I don't want flame but...

[bbence]

Have you seen the "new" Rev3D website? The structure is almost spitting image of TV's. Is it made by the same person or we're witnessing another copy-paste on the part of Revolution3D? So please no flames, just flat facts!

[Zaknafein]

Nah, it's not looking exactly like the TV website.... I like the TV website muuuuch better
Well all PHP-Nuke websites have a sort of look-alike,...

[bbence]

Nah, it's not looking exactly like the TV website.... I like the TV website muuuuch better
Well all PHP-Nuke websites have a sort of look-alike,...

I see, so you're saying it's made by the same program? And it ships with the same set of "sub-parts" like the bulletin board and gallery? Then I see why it somewhat similar.
Reading the feedbacks of the rev users they're not so satisfied. But I agree, the TV website is much better. As like the engine itself.

[darqSHADOW]

You are correct, both sites use Postnuke as a base.  The only difference is we have used a custom theme that Arli and I developed, and the Rev3d site uses the stock Postnuke theme.  I have also done quite a number of code enhancements to the Postnuke core to allow some new features.  Even our hosting company (who hosts 100's of Postnuke sites) says we are the first site that is Postnuke-based, but doesn't look like it.  (We're not loaded with ugly side-blocks, and poorly written menus.)

One thing I did find interesting, though, is not many Postnuke sites do a splash screen like ours.  Yet TV and R3D do look about the same.    Another thing I noticed is how they posted their Features, which is exactly how I did it here.  The only difference is I understand the difference between an Article and a Headline, so our features don't show up on the homepage.

BTW- If any R3D people see this, please tell the admin to take out the stock Postnuke links already, that's just poorly done.  (There are still links to the Postnuke project on Sourceforge, ugh...)

We noticed this the other day, and there was actually quite a funny conversation going on in the chatroom about it.

DS

[bbence]

LOL. Than it's just as I suspected all along.

[Anti-Gremlin]

Yeah it was quite interesting that lil chat we had about their site...  :roll:

Obviously they didnt put much thought into the site... and they didnt let the users know they were doing it...


at least you guys had a valid reason behind it..

meh to R3D i say!

[JeffWeber]

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[Waterman]

Arrhhummm Gentlemen,

Not so long ago, we experienced a similar surprise here. Anyone remembers it? I don't recall having seen any warnings in advance.

The choise of engine is based on it's qualities, among others. Neither TV nor R3D is fully COM-compliant, but both work with MS products. But R3D supports one thing TV does not, and that is DLL exports. As i use a non-MS programming language, this does affect my choise.

Another thing is uncertainty about the evolution of the product. I am trying to estimate which group of ki.. sorry young talented programmers : ) will be likely to hang on in the future. I am practically as old as the added age of the TV dev team, and the R3D one is slightly better in this sense, but then again worse because the team is smaller.

You have told me that you will work on TV forever : ) and that's just fine thank you. But lets see what happens when some company offers you 100k in a year or a few. And get married, have kids and Volvo stationwagons. That's why i hope that both teams would be able to develop a healthy business of the engines.

Well i'll be waiting a few months, to see what happens... Neither of you are ready yet.

[Anti-Gremlin]

Well I have been around since v4.8 (you may not have known that) and I have liked the way TV has been moving along...

Yes TV's site was somewhat changed suddenly, but that wasnt really their fault.. it was forced upon them. slightly different to R3D scenario.

sure most are "young talent" but who isnt now and days... look at most jobs, you see there are a lot more 18 year olds doing programming/sys admin jobs... simply putting it... they are bloody smart.

As for the dedication of the project... no one can plan 5 years a head of time.. not even plan 1 year ahead of time.. anything can happen.. I just hope that they can last for as long as they can and provide us with what i think is the best engine.


That is my thoughts anyways.

[JohnnyC]

sure most are "young talent" but who isnt now and days...

er um.....................

Me and Edmanic?

[Anti-Gremlin]

sure most are "young talent" but who isnt now and days...

er um.....................

Me and Edmanic?

Your just weird though JohnnyC :D

[phether]

My company has been contracted to do website for a variety of people over the years and just about everyone one of them say "Make it look like this Website"

Nobody seems to want to come up with their own ideas anymore..

[Anti-Gremlin]

My company has been contracted to do website for a variety of people over the years and just about everyone one of them say "Make it look like this Website"

Nobody seems to want to come up with their own ideas anymore..

I know what you are talking about phether... I have had clients come to me asking if i could make their site look like 2advanced website... very common request.

[phether]

sure most are "young talent" but who isnt now and days... look at most jobs, you see there are a lot more 18 year olds doing programming/sys admin jobs... simply putting it... they are bloody smart.

I am 29 (have a wife and daughter) and the lead programmer at my company. The youngest person working in the development staff is 24 and the oldest is 30+(she won't say )

My CTO is 30, the CEO 50+ (he won't say either )

THe only developer not married is the 30+ lady.

Most of the 18-20 year olds we have hired didn't work out.  Only one or two of them have.

[DavidAWinter]

Waterman.

I just wanted to throw my $0.02 ($0.015CAD) worth in regarding your comment about what team will stick it out.

I've been using TrueVision since about the time it was still using DirectX 7. It always seemed to me that at any time the TrueVision engine added something Rev3D would have that same feature added with in about 2 days. Perhapes this had something to do with TV being open source code at the time...

At anyrate I would never, ever have commited maximum-football to TV had I thought it would be abandonned.

Also regarding the issues you're having with the non-COM compliance. Ok, so TV doesn't provide dll exports that you require but seriously you have to remember that you are in the smallest minority here. Outside the delphi develpers everyone else uses the MS development products for which Truevisions works fine (and was orginally intended in the first place).

Myself, I'd love to use Borland Builder for my project but TV won't work with it either. This is not the fault of truevision but rather of Borland. Borland knows how the VB COM objects work yet they never seem to get the import of the objects correct.

David

[MadProgrammer]

About Non-compliance, that will most likely change with 6.1, Sylv is still trying to firgure out the model. The problem would be solved by using an API style core engine, and then wrapping it from there

[darqSHADOW]

Not so long ago, we experienced a similar surprise here. Anyone remembers it? I don't recall having seen any warnings in advance.

Unfortunately, this was beyond our control.  But as anyone that visited the chatroom within the following week knows, we worked very hard and long on getting a new webhost, getting domains moved and purchased, and building a Postnuke site that does not look like every other Postnuke site on the Internet.

Another thing is uncertainty about the evolution of the product. I am trying to estimate which group of ki.. sorry young talented programmers : ) will be likely to hang on in the future. I am practically as old as the added age of the TV dev team, and the R3D one is slightly better in this sense, but then again worse because the team is smaller.

Well, most people here know my background as not only a programmer, but the owner of 3 successful businesses.  I am dedicated to the TrueVision project, as I have shown since I joined the team.  I also know how committed Sylvain and Arli are, as well.

You have told me that you will work on TV forever : ) and that's just fine thank you. But lets see what happens when some company offers you 100k in a year or a few. And get married, have kids and Volvo stationwagons. That's why i hope that both teams would be able to develop a healthy business of the engines.

I already make quite enough money right now.  =)  I have no need for further income, that is why I have agreed to fund the TrueVision project into the future.  Do not expect us to take on a huge corporate image, begin marketing the engine, and such, as that is not what we're after here.  We are quite happy having a great engine, with a great community of users, without all the corporate bs.

I also would like to wish R3D the best of luck, and I hope they too can form themselves into the business they want.  I just feel doing exact copies of your competition is not the way to go about this.  I understand plagiarism is a fine form of flattery, but com'on, the similarities are a bit much...

DS