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Author Topic: Access violation on Windows 7 and Windows 10  (Read 5905 times)
zuffle
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« on: January 11, 2016, 04:19:18 PM »

Hi folks,

Iv been succesfully using the tv3d65.dll on Delphi and windows 7 for a long,long while. However a few months ago some of the tv3d65.dll calls started to come back with Access violations.

Nothing had changed in my code, so i can only assume a Windows update has screwed up with tv3d65.dll, or license sign?.

The engine objects can still be created all ok, but when i come to use them, ie initialise them, some of them give access violation errors and my app bombs out !. Calls such as :

TVMainScene.SetCamera(..
TVMainscene.SetRenderMode(TV_SOLID
TVMainEngine.Init3DWindowed(pnMain.handle,false);

These all used to work !

I checked that the directx 9 files were still in place on "c:\windows\system32", and re installed them anyway, and re-registered the dll.

This did not fix the error.

So I bit the bullet and updated to windows 10 as felt i had nothing to lose. It gave me the same issues: Access violations.
I installed the directx files needed  to c:\windows\system32, and also to c:\windows\sysWOW\ just in case, registered the tv3d65.dll in both places.

I ran depends.exe on the tv3d65.dll to see if there are missing files, it flagged a number of dependant files that "..system cannot find the the file" but I dont know if these are red herrings, since they look like sytem files that i'm not sure i can copy around on "c:\" safely.

I also tried a small c# app with Mtv3d65.dll on windows 10 with basic tv3d65 functionality (copied from the c# example that comes with tv3d download), and I had the same result, Eaccess violation on "TV.Init3DWindowed(Handle, true);".

So the question is, can  tv3d65.dll be used with windows 10?. Or is it a waste of time trying to get it to work with windows 10 ? and i must look to another engine?.


Advice greatly appreciated.

Regards, Z ( a paying user)


 
« Last Edit: January 11, 2016, 04:27:52 PM by zuffle » Logged
yazancash
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2016, 05:48:00 PM »

Hello

i had problems with Windows 7 too.

my problem solved after i followed all needed Dlls by using depends.exe

Try to download and copy these DLLs to system32 and sysWOW :

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zup4fwwhtdxwthd/TV3d%206.5%20-%20Dx9%20DLLs%20needed.rar?dl=0

Kind Regards,
Zaid
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zuffle
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2016, 02:40:55 PM »

Hey Zaid,

Thanks for replying. The only file from your dropbox list that i didnt have in system32 folder, was "IESHIM.dll". I added this to the folder, and SysWow64, sadly didnt fix the issue .

So , to confirm behaviour: I ran my Delphi generated.exe that uses thetv3d65.dll dated 11/11/09 on Windows 10 and got tv3d65.dll access violations.

I ran the same exe on my old XP machine and it ran fine.
Running depends.exe on the tv3d65.dll on the XP machine, it returned only 3 files it couldnt find:

EFSADU.dll, IESHIMS.dll and WER.DLL , and my exe ran none the less.


Running depends.exe on the tv3d65.dll on the  windows10 machine , the following files (at bottom of post) could not be found (thats 347 files !!!!) :

So i suspect this is a SERIOUS issue for all developers planning to launch anything using tv3d on Windows 10 !!. Suggest you all try W10 and perhaps we can get Sylvain, DarkShadow etc. to take a look at the issue, or we get  the tv3d code open source so we can attempt to sort the issue. Hope this is not the final death knell for tv3d !!!!  Embarrassed

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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2016, 06:12:38 PM »

I did experienced issue as well with windows 10 and Visual Studio 2015, where my app crashes all the time at

TVMainEngine.Init3DWindowed();

while this crash does not happens with VS2013.  I haven't identified the source yet, my guess was that it had to be something with directX and Win10/VS2015 incompatibility.

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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2016, 07:39:42 AM »

Hey,


>"I did experienced issue as well with windows 10 and Visual Studio 2015, where my app crashes all the time.."

Interesting, but my issue still happens simply running a EXE that used to work!, rather than a exe built on W10.

Iv seen posts re "Init3Dwindowed" problems that were related to license sign, so maybe this doesn't work on W10 either?.

Kinda stumped, very frustrating !

So you can run a VS2013 built exe that uses MTV3D65.dll on windows 10 no problem then?


Z
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2016, 04:32:36 PM »

Yes, well, I'm using c++ so TV3D65.dll, and I'm still using the free version with the watermark(I indeed read about the licencing issue with Init3DWindowed but obviously, it does not apply to me here! Smiley ).

But yes, with VS2013, either on my PC and on my surface Pro I can build and run my app on windows 10.
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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2016, 03:42:37 PM »

hello Zuffle

i have a solution, but it needs some time to do.

1- for each DLL file missed as per your 347 list, search in Google for DLL name, for example

search for
"API-MS-WIN-CORE-NORMALIZATION-L1-1-0.DLL"

note: add " " before and after dll name.


2- You can find these DLLs to download from site named (www.dll-files.com) appear in first page of Google result.

* this site is Trusted and no viruses, i use it.


3- choose third Free option (Manual fix) - Download ZIP-file.


4- Copy dll to some safe place in desktop.


5- Repeat for all other DLL files.


6- Copy all DLLs to system32 and sysWOW.

Good luck.

Kind regards,
Zaid
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2016, 08:12:45 PM »

Hi Zaid,

thanks for the suggestion.

Not sure how practicle it can really be though, since i would need to determine the origin of these missing DLLS and whether they can be LEGALLY copied about .

If this was to work, and I released  product, then i would need to include these DLLS in an installer, again, might hit legal issues.

I tried the c# project with "Mtv3d65.dll" using VStudio2013, and had the same problem as before, access violation on first tv3d call: TV.Init3DWindowed(Handle, true);

Anyone elese hit with this problem?, or is noone using Tv3d anymore?, Windows 10 anyone?.

I find it pretty unacceptable that an app i wrote using this DLL does not work on W10, with no kind of support provided by the dlls creators.

I guess with no active work carried out on the TV3d65.dll since 2009, any kind of review or rebuild for a w10 issue is simply NOT going to happen  Cry.

This time i will finally need to move on engine, unless someone has a solution.

Z
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2016, 04:41:21 PM »

Did you correctly regenerate your license files after a program change?  I get an ACCVIO whenever I have an out-of-date or missing license file.
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« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2016, 08:19:16 AM »

Hey,

Thanks for your interest.
I created a new license file. Made no difference.
I was able to get TV3D to work as a badic  c++ app as Zaid suggested. However, as soon as I introduced a TVlandscape object, or TVAtmposhere object, hit the Access Violation problems again.

Zaid, are you using these objects at all?.

Suspect TV is as good as dead to me now :-(

Z

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